When you were kind of putting these treatments together, was it always kind of nailed on that Nathan Drake was not to be a part of it?
Margenau: That was the one thing that had to be true, for that ending of Uncharted 4 to be meaningful. We could have gone down the route of The Last of Us Left Behind where we like fill in something from Nathan Drake’s story and that kept coming up because of Left Behind, but with Uncharted 4, that was the end, we said everything we needed to say about Nathan Drake so we wanted to do something fresh.
From a development standpoint, is there anything new going on that you might not have been able to include in the Uncharted games that came before?
Margenau: I mean mechanically there are things that we wanted to explore in more depth, so we’re really pushing exploration. We